Panic in Mugabe's bunker: Dictator losing grip???

The First Post's exclusive reports of Robert Mugabe's plots- first to assassinate his critics, including ex-Archbishop Pius Ncube, then to destroy Ncube with charges of sexual misconduct - have enraged Zimbabwe's President.

But publication has caused him temporarily to call off the conspiracies.

Scenes reminiscent of the last days of Hitler were witnessed at a late-night meeting at State House, called by Mugabe on Monday.

The President raved and screamed at his top security men, threatening to sack some of them, including Central Intelligence Organisation boss Happyton Bonyongwe, unless they put a stop to the damaging leaks.


Bonyongwe confessed to the president that the latest plots against Ncube , which were attempting to link the former Catholic Archbishop of Bulawayo with false charges of sodomy, adultery and deliberately spreading Aids, had all fallen apart, thanks to The First Post's reports. Several of those lined up to make accusations against Ncube had already disappeared.


Mugabe, frothing with rage, screamed at the hapless chief: "Get out of the kitchen if you cannot handle it, Bonyongwe. Since when have you failed to handle your boys? Or maybe you are one of those that think I should leave my job." Then he ordered a visibly shaken Bonyongwe to call off the anti-Ncube campaign for the moment, and instead launch a manhunt to track down the informants who gave information
to The First Post - and "deal with them first."
The government has been unable to pass off the reports about the Ncube honeytrap and the attempts on his life and reputation as fiction, because The First Post showed documents about the plans, passed to me at great risk by my sources.

Mugabe has now ordered that in future there must be no paperwork about such plots, and all briefings must be made strictly by telephone or in person, face to face.
The Monday night meeting was at the highest level of government. It included, apart from Bonyongwe, the defence forces commander General Constantine Chiwengwa, the army chief Phillip Sibanda, air force chief Perence Shiri, police commissioner Augustine Chirhuri, and the home and defence ministers, Kembo Mohadi and Sydney Sekeramayi.
Significantly absent was Security Minister Didymus Mutasa, who is out of favour because of his involvement with the 'magic diesel' affair.

When I spoke to Pius Ncube yesterday I warned him that the hiatus in the attacks on his reputation was only temporary. He told me: "I am not worried. I have said before that I only fear God, and Mugabe is not God. I will continue to fight for a better life in Zimbabwe."

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Mugabe rejects Mandela's plan!

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Dumisani Muleya


PRESIDENT Robert Mugabe has rejected overtures by former South African president Nelson Mandela and other international statesmen for him to retire ahead of next year’s elections to avoid further deterioration of the economy.

Mugabe’s resistance to renewed domestic and international pressure for him to quit before the polls demonstrates his rigid determination to hang onto power at all costs. This seems to have become his main objective despite the worsening crisis and attendant suffering.

Impeccable sources said Mugabe has given the brush-off to Mandela and his "Global Elders" team which deals with trouble-spots, snuffing out any hopes of him leaving office before the elections now likely to take place in June.

It is understood Mugabe told off former United Nations secretary-general Kofi Annan, who is part of the Elders group, after he made contact in September to arrange a meeting in Harare to discuss the Zimbabwe crisis, including his sensitive retirement issue.

Mugabe and Annan fell out publicly after UN envoy Anna Tibaijuka in 2005 compiled a damning report on government’s Operation Murambatsvina which said the crackdown had displaced at least 700 000 people directly and affected 2,4 million others. Mugabe blocked Annan from coming to Harare to discuss the issue on that occasion.

Two months ago Mugabe again blocked Annan from coming to Harare to discuss the Mandela initiative. Annan originally wanted to visit Harare to meet with Mugabe before the crucial Sadc summit in Lusaka. Mugabe stormed out of the meeting after clashing with host President Levy Mwanawasa.

Mandela’s Elders initiative is funded by British billionaire Sir Richard Branson, the chairman of the Virgin Group, a vast business empire, and musician and activist Peter Gabriel.

Branson, who is worth about US$8 billion and was recently ranked by Time magazine as one of the top 100 most influential people in the world, is part of the Elders team. The group includes Mandela, who is the patron, his wife Graça Machel, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the chair.

Other members of the group include Annan, Ela Bhatt, prominent Indian lawyer and international labour leader, ex-Norwegian prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland, former US president Jimmy Carter, ex-Chinese foreign minister and Peking University professor Li Zhaoxing, former Irish president Mary Robinson, and Muhammad Yunus, a Bangladeshi professor of economics and banker.

Mandela, Tutu and Yunus are Nobel Peace Prize winners.

Sources in South Africa said Mandela communicated with Mugabe through his advisors in March, indicating to him that he had played his role in the liberation of his people, but it was now time for him to go. It is said Mandela stated he would not like to see Mugabe hounded out of office by his own people and treated like former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet once out of power. Sources said Mandela further noted Mugabe would be better advised to leave sooner rather than later with residual respect and a modicum of dignity.

Mandela communicated with Mugabe via their advisors on March 30 after the Zanu PF central committee met in Harare and claimed afterwards that Mugabe was endorsed as the party’s candidate in next year’s presidential election when in fact he had not been. Mugabe was only endorsed last week. It is understood that Mugabe appreciated Mandela’s message, which was supported by South African government officials and ruling ANC leaders, in particular party stalwart and business magnate Tokyo Sexwale, and promised to get back to him. He never did.

Realising that Mugabe was not willing to respond, Mandela unleashed the Global Elders to pursue the Mugabe issue and find ways of engaging him. Mandela and Mugabe are perennial rivals in the region and clashed over the DRC intervention in 1998.

The Elders met in Johannesburg during Mandela’s 89th birthday on July 18 to discuss hot spots around the world, including the Zimbabwe crisis. They resolved to send Annan to Harare to talk to Mugabe about his retirement plan and also dispatch a team to Darfur to assess the situation. The Elders went to Darfur recently.

At the Johnnesburg meeting, close sources said there were different suggestions on how to approach Mugabe on the issue given his notoriously prickly disposition. Carter and other Elders proposed that a team, which included former African presidents, should approach Mugabe and persuade him to go, but Annan said that would not work because Mugabe was bound to reject a ganging up approach. Besides, Annan said the group might end up working at cross-purposes. He then said it would be better to send one person to meet with Mugabe and his name was put forward. Annan agreed. He then tried to arrange a meeting with Mugabe but was snubbed although he did not give up.

After discussing the Mugabe issue with the Elders in July, Mandela said that his team must "speak freely and boldly, working both publicly and behind-the-scenes on whatever actions need to be taken".

"Together we will work to support courage where there is fear, foster agreement where there is conflict, and inspire hope where there is despair," he said.

Former Botswana president Sir Ketumile Masire persuaded ex-Zambian president Kenneth Kaunda to reform in 1990 and helped to end the crisis there. Mugabe himself, Mandela and Masire were in the past involved in efforts to end problems in Lesotho, Swaziland and Zambia.

Lucia Matibenga: "Tsvangirai let the people be heard"

Thursday I November 2007



Zimbabwe's Movement for Democratic Change will hold an emergency meeting on Saturday as the party under Morgan Tsvangirai staggers from crisis to crisis.


Tsvangirai's bodyguards on Tuesday night assaulted two party MP's Amos Chibaya and Emmanuel Chisvuure at party headquarters, while a third Paul Madzore has been threatened. Chisvuure who sustained injuries to his face after complaining at party headquarters that the MDC was contravening its constitution after Tsvangirai disbanded the Women's Assembly, told Voice of America, "I feel that thugs are in control, this is not the first time our party has had these skirmishes."

Women leaders have come under particular attack in the MDC - MP Trudy Stevenson was hospitalised after an attack and Priscilla Misihairabwi-Mushonga also an MP moved to an opposing faction of the MDC under Welshman Ncube after being beaten by party thugs. Last Friday the legitimate MDC Women's Assembly head, Lucia Matibenga won a court order against Tsvangirai's move, the court said only the Women's Assembly could dissolve itself.

At the weekend the MDC held an illegal secret meeting at a Bulawayo restaurant, attended by less than 100 people and elected MDC funder and beauty salon owner, Theresa Makone as the new Women Assembly head. She is the wife of Ian Makone, MDC director of elections. A woman interviewed by VOA who was present at the election said, "we support Morgan Tsvangirai but Theresa Makone is destroying the party with expensive gifts and money (to the party leadership)."

Tsvangirai's thugs also harassed female members of Harare Province before a crisis consultative meeting on Tuesday, at which Tsvangirai wished to get endorsement for his illegal dissolution of the Women's Assembly. Harare Province Women's Chairperson, Rorina Dandajena confirmed that she and other women had been intimidated by the Tsvangirai thugs.


"By the time people get into a meeting they are so nervous of victimisation their level of participation is compromised," responded Matibenga.


The Bulawayo youth assembly which has put its weight behind Matibenga has also been barred from going into the party's provincial offices.

Tsvangirai who is faced with a serious rebellion, by MP's, and national party structures is carrying out a purge of the so called, 'ring leaders' before the crucial crisis meeting on Saturday. The meeting is meant to belatedly deliberate on the illegal dissolution of the Women's Assembly.

In a hard hitting editorial today on a UK based website, commentator, Obert Madondo said: "Zimbabweans must reclaim the democratic project. The MDC owes them for the many second chances they gave Tsvangirai. The least the MDC can do is liberate us from Tsvangirai. He is unfit to replace Robert Mugabe, let alone rule Zimbabwe."

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THE MBEKI INITIATIVE: DEBATE FROM HOVE'S SUBMISSION!

From brightonmusonza@arim.co.uk

Mbeki as a dictator, and all sorts of cynical conniver with one Robert Mugabe is well described by one of his own here: http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=586595
I don't know how he would be better for Zimbabwe when his own people feel otherwise! MDC got duped and they have got to leave with it.
For me, Mbeki and Mugabe will run a close call race in as far as all bad things about rogue, monstrous African Presidents.

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The problem is that as much as people call Mbeki a dictator, there is no evidence to the contrary. In which country is he a dictator? South Africa ? Which South Africa ? The one I live in? Don’t believe the hype, especially those written by people with vendettas. South Africa has a functioning constitution as well as ANC which Mbeki even with two thirds majority has never bothered to manipulate or change. He has served his two terms and will be out by 2009 – so tell me, what really makes Mbeki a dictator? Just because he has refused to be used by Zimbabweans who are failing to sit down and agree about how to take the country forward? Or westerners who are still crying about the farms taken back by their rightful owners?


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B MUSONZA:

Why do you rush to associate our accusations of Mbeki, the dictator to Westerners, brother Peter. Mbeki is a dictator. Period. Infact the worst thing to have happened to a young South African democracy, and not in the context of the Zimbabwean crisis. If you read the recent figures of the South African economy, you will learn that the country is moving in the wrong direction, but spin and teasing is now the order of the day. Black outs, interest rates, crime, HIV/Aids, corruption, poor housing, poor education in the country's black communities only supplemented by Zimbabwean economic refugees. You name it.
One using State resources to destroy opponents with trumped up charges, one who imprisoning journalists because they dare tell the world that the Health Minister is a drunkard and a thief, one who interferes with the judicial process of his own State prosecution Authority to protect his cronies. A President barred by the Constitution of his country and party to run for a third term but still insists he will defy that.
The guy is a failure, and is now responsible for the early break away of the coalition, which is now inevitable.
If this is not dictatorial, now we wonder what is.

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P MOYO:

I think you are applying too much emotion. An economy that is able to absorb three million Zimbabweans is definitely a sound economy. Check the figures – this economy has grown about 6% year on year since Mbeki took over. Black outs are mainly being caused by a huge demand that a growing economy is experiencing – for e.g, apartheid South Africa never bothered to electrify black South Africa and now the economy has to absorb that – definitely there is need to grow the capacity which is happening as we speak – a new power station is being built – the money is there. As for the interest rates – check your facts right – yes there has been rate hikes basically to curb South Africans’ spending and borrowing power which pushes the inflation up. In an economy where the new black elite – so called black diamonds are now being given opportunities – you definitely will get this simple mathematics – spending is gonna go up and people are going to borrow and lend till they drop. Education has always been an issue, from the time of apartheid where blacks were handed out Bantu education – now you don’t expect such a big country to suddenly have the experts and revolunise their curriculum over night – remember South Africa’s democracy was negotiated unlike in Zimbabwe where we could do what we wanted.

As for the Sunday Times, its only you a few people who think that way. Health records were stolen from a hospital, Sunday Times came out later with the same records – now if you buy or take stolen property, you definitely have to be arrested – that’s the issue – simply as that – the newspapers are the ones complaining about crime day in day out but now if they start stealing themselves, then where are the journalism ethics.

And for your information, Mbeki has never said he will run for the president of South Africa - that is the problem with your information. Mbeki will run for the presidency of ANC for the third time and the ANC constitution allows him to. Now, where are you getting this idea about him running for 3rd term as country’s president? Unless you are deliberately distorting the truth to suit your own ends?

The coalition is as strong as ever. Maybe you didn’t read about the SACP conference resolution which aligns itself with the ANC forever. Ask us, we will tell you about these events

I am not sure where you find the dictatorship in that. As for Pikoli, inorder to avoid a constitutional crisis, you have to inform the country’s leadership when you are about to arrest the police chief. And also the same Pikoli was busy giving international criminals and murderers who have been trafficking drugs worth more than a billion rands and killing businessmen and witnesses – indemnity from prosecution – the same indemnity blacks are not being accorded. This is the same person who gave Mark Thatcher – the main sponsor of the Guinea coup plot a fine. Here in South Africa , except for the white controlled media, everyone is agreed this guy had to go.

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kuthulamatshazi@yahoo.co.uk


I am currently pressed by studies and do not think will be writing anything until the December break. But I have to weigh in here. Do we know what a dictator is? In this day and age do we still have people who are talking destructive language instead of building for the sake of the suffering people in Zimbabwe.
Musonza some 10 months ago you said ZPF would have disintegrated in the 3months following your statement. Its now 10 months or more.
I think as a person who wants to venture into news business you need to adjust yourself and be more realistic and also fight your prejudices. Please take this advice in good spirit. I do not mean it in any bad way.

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Brighton Musonza:

Ooooooo now I get it Comrade Peter, in your own words you said, "South Africans can complain all they want – they are even complaining about houses – a grown man wanting the govt to build him a house – plizzzz! While they complain, they forget to study leading to skills shortages and we foreigners then come around, take the jobs, then they start complaining about us taking their jobs".

So, you think Mbeki is right in relying on you, cheap foreign labour at the expense of his own people? Poaching other regional country's skilled manpower for that country's foreign multi-national controlled business sector. Regional countries heavily subsidising an arrogant big brother who doesn't bother to invest in social spending because doctors, teachers engineers, and bankers will always come from the poor pals next door, whose infrastructure is collapsing because they have been reduced to feeder nations. Mbeki, enjoying the less social spending to appease the neo liberals and business sector, now connected to the ruling elite.

So, that tells the whole story of ANC as a party high-jacked by neo liberals and abandoned its social responsibilities.

You said (South Africans) they forget to study, leading to skills shortages and we foreigners then come around. You make me laugh. They are not forgetting mate, but the regime has not taken them to the promised land of post apartheid. I thought, governments have responsibilities to shape the attitudes and behaviour of their subjects.

Then on the drunk Health Minister, you said "her Health records were stolen from a hospital, Sunday Times came out later with the same records – now if you buy or take stolen property, you definitely have to be arrested – that’s the issue – simply as that – the newspapers are the ones complaining about crime day in day out but now if they start stealing themselves, then where are the journalism ethics". Of all people, how can a Health Minister get wasted and preach health matters to the nation, whilst knocked down by a couple of beers?

Now Comrade Peter, again you make me laugh..........ok we take that you are our real world example. Recently you had your own troubles with the ZRP cum Zanu PF Militia or vigilante groups in Zimbabwe, when you were caught, "stealing" pictures of our poor Gold/Diamond diggers in Manicaland which you intended to show to South Africans and the world over through your employer, e-tv, and definitely your bosses were going to give you a pat on the back for a well done "investigative", journalism, but the work of your your fellow jurnos doing the same, you call it stealing. But you were moaning and whingeing that your Camera was broken, and the film taken by Zanu PF militias when you were doing "investigative" journalism, breaking the Zimbabwean rogue media laws of a regime you highly praise left, right and centre.

The coalition is as strong as ever. You must be living in another South Africa. COSATU is now having a fit inside and another outsite, and so is SACP, then the Neo Liberals running the show have their agenda, while Mbeki himself runs around between nationalists, and the hangers-on, and sometimes hibernating in the women's league (like what all modern day dictators do).

And you Comrade Kuthula, Zanu PF is in the vegetative stages of decay. Your dream President, Robert Mugabe has forced the issue of re-election because he is now its leadership and at the same time its cell branch. Ask Jabulani Sibanda, the expelled Zanu PF cadre, now the come back kid of all time, and being groomed to be the new face of violence, or Comrade Hunzvi in reincarnation of the farm invasions fame. This is the legacy of Cde Bob!

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Which Cosatu and SACP are you talking about? In UK or the US or the one I know is South Africa ? Coz the ones you are talking about are as ANC as ever and are gearing up for the congress. As for the few that you have heard complaining – its normal for any nation during times of choosing a new leader.
I am not sure if you think that after 300 years of white domination which made sure that blacks were left behind, you want things to be perfect after only 13 years of democracy. Surely you can’t be serious

As for my arrest in Zim, how was that stealing? How do you equate going into a locker room and stealing health records to filming in Zimbabwe . Unless you are just clutching on straws to make a point you surely can’t be serious. But for the benefit of doubt, yes I went to Zimbabwe, reported illegally – did not steal pictures coz there were no pictures already packaged and locked in a safe – and when I was arrested according to that country’s laws I paid a fine. Simple and straight forward. The main thing I complained about was my subsequent abduction by that country’s secret service or CIO long after I had concluded my trial – if you want I can send you a copy of the show that just won an award for investigative journalism. On the Sunday Times issue, the matter is simple, yes the story was good, it was a scoop but then whether you are a journalist or what, if you receive stolen property, you ought to answer to the law coz this is not a lawless country where people by virtue of being journalists they can go around breaking into people’s property and expect not to be arrested.

As for South Africa ’s education – there are so many universities in South Africa and private colleges – its up to South Africans to take up the initiative and learn. And by the way, it’s been only 13 years since these universities opened up to black people – some are still resisting transformation – so an ordinary South African, after completing matric and tertiary would most probably be less than five years experienced. Also teachers need a big revamp and with the shortage of skills, other countries need to chip in. There are more teachers than Zimbabwe needs even at this moment – and some of them are already working illegally as waitresses in South Africa – so it is in south africa’s right to tap into this under utilized experience – with the same teacher sending the rands back home to feed his/her poor relatives. There is no big brother in that.
As for my profession, I remember when I left Standard, I opened opportunities for other younger journalists who could not find a job at the time when I left – so really there was no gap left. Today, I now employ about six Zimbabwean journalists working for my website – Zimgreats.com – something that was impossible when I was still in Zim and I am using Mbeki’s rands to do that. Zimgreats.com is now a registered legal website and newspaper in South Africa which soon will be employing more Zimbabweans in South Africa and back home – again something I could not do back home.

If the Health minister is a drunk – how does that make Mbeki a dictator? And again for your own information – the Sunday Times journalists have not been arrested – it is still just a rumour that they will be arrested. So why is everyone, especially you running into a conclusion? However kana ukadziya moto wembavha…..pedzisa shamwari…
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Yes, I will accept your position as is, but the problem is that you did not say ZPF would be in the vegetative stages of decay. You said it would be non-existent. But by your own admission you acknowledge that you were wrong and now say that it is in the "vegetative stages of decay".

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Comrade Pete, you don't get it, do you? The issue is not about imprisonment of journalists by Mbeki or retreat thereof, but the credibility of our supposed crisis go-between. What we are saying is, there are now so many traits of Mbeki's regime that resembles the road map to a fully fledged dictatorship, and hence this lame duck of a leader has so much admiration of another beleaguered dictator across the Limpopo has tried. Now you find opposition leaders joining anti drugs marches in the streets are arrested, using gender balance to thwart opponents, trumped up charges against perceived challengers.

Our succession problems or rather transition from years of dictatorship, as a nation, are now bogged down in ANC power struggles as Mbeki fight a Labour based COSATU, Zuma backing.

Right now Mbeki is fighting hard or privately conniving with one Robert Mugabe not to acknowledge refugee status of millions of Zimbabweans in South Africa because he knows kuti the UN Refugee Agency would finance their repatriation back to Zimbabwe and oust Zanu PF in an election, or at least make it reasonable for UN intervention in the matters to resolve the crisis. How can a country feel comfortable keeping 3-4 million people of another country? Mozambique had a long brutal war, but I don't think we had so many in our country and even during that war, there were some repatriations going on.
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MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT THABO MBEKI FROM JERRY SANGO, ZIMBABWE!

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"South Africa is not a safe place until and when zim is free.South Africa has a role in the crisis in Zimbabwe as shown by their indirect support of events in Zimbabwe.

They continue to open arms to the bloody hands of Mugabe and his croonies(BLOOD:1984,1987,2000,2002,2005-6).This is evidenced by their diplomatic stance on Zimbabwe ,Mbeki is fencing Zimbabwe from the International Community ,the African Union and the SADC ,by claiming to offer dialogue,while supporting a false sense of Patriotic nolstalgia ,which deems anything not ZANU PF as unpatriotic.Under the current unstable political conditions in Zim more people will try enter S.A & other regional countries in the region,offering a chance for demonstrations ,if not killings by trying to quell them(closing border posts), hence promoting lack of freedom of movement.

They support Zanu PF kids at their universites & kick out the people they lead as evidenced by the Lindela refugee/deportation camp in S.A.It is a cause of concern that ZANU PF fails to address basic needs,which might simply mean killing/stunting the growth/development of the youth& future generation ,as evidenced by the high levels of HIV/AIDS & deteriorating educational standards with no light for financial independence ,with government doing practically nothing about it as evidenced by officials seeing it morally right that they force/rape students into sex UZ, NUST & SOLUSI universities.

Furthermore promoting violence among youths by introducing Training Youth Camps ,whose major objective is unclear.So is the need to uphold the rule of law in a country passing an unclear Indigenisation Bill.

Please FORWARD my message, MUGABE MUST BE SENT TO THE UN SECURITY CONCIL(S.A blocking these efforts)& SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTEST FOR NEXT`S YEAR ELECTIONS:

HE has ceased being presidential material,by any standards.

"Sanctions: Mugabe’s red herring!" by Chido Makunike.

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Last updated: 10/02/2007 13:25:19
ROBERT Mugabe's government puts tremendous energy into blaming what it refers to as "illegal sanctions" by Western countries for the Zimbabwean economy being down on its knees, causing untold hardship to the majority of Zimbabweans.

The claim is that international aid, credit and investment have largely dried up on the orders of Western governments, unhappy with change which took prime land away from white farmers.

When the representatives of the accused countries bother to respond to these charges, it is usually to say that what have been imposed are merely limited "targeted sanctions" against members of the ruling elite. They deny applying any sort of general economic embargo, or seeking to cause "regime change" by trying to instigate popular rebellion over the hardships. They also point to how they continue to contribute humanitarian aid to relieve the suffering of the most vulnerable Zimbabweans, despite the diplomatic impasse.

It is quite clear that economically, things have completely spiralled out of the control of the government. There is little prospect of any change for the better happening before next year's expected elections, and it is not at all far fetched to imagine things might be much worse by then. Short of improving the situation, therefore, the government finds it convenient and necessary to latch onto sanctions as an explanation for its inability to make living conditions bearable.

The hope is that the electorate will find that classic political explanation ("it is the fault of the Great Enemy") for their economic plight, and the government's seeming helplessness in the face of it, convincing enough to avoid a feared thrashing at the polls after almost 10 years of steep decline. It is not likely to impress a significant number of the voters who have been fed this line as they watched their lives deteriorate dramatically.

There are several perspectives from which the Mugabe regime's idea to blame sanctions for the economic state of Zimbabwe today is weak.

One major problem of arguing "your suffering is the fault of our enemies" is to seem to absolve oneself of responsibility. Yet whether or not there are Western sanctions against Zimbabwe in place, declared or undeclared; legal or illegal, it is still the responsibility of a government to reduce or prevent the deprivation of its people, and to put in place conditions for an improvement in their standard of life. Sanctions would certainly make this difficult, but they would just be one more out of many obstacles to success.

The quality of a government can to a large extent be measured by how well and hard it works to work around these sort of obstacles.

"You cannot boast endlessly about your "sovereignty," and at the same time whine about how your economy's fate is not within your hands"

CHIDO MAKUNIKE

A Zimbabwean voter cannot be expected to accept putting primary responsibility for his economic fortunes on governments in Europe or North America, over that of his own government. He or she would be quite justified to say at election time, "if you find that the sanctions you allege are in place are an insurmountable barrier to doing your job of running the Zimbabwean economy better than this, then I am exercising my right to give another group of people a try." This, of course, is exactly what Mugabe & Co. fear many voters will choose to do.

But instead of working harder to have them lifted, or to more effectively get around them, the government merely moans louder about the unfairness and "illegality" of those alleged sanctions. This merely entrenches the appearance of complete helplessness and inability to deal with the issue, which is what the average Zimbabwean cares about at the end of the day, regardless of why and how it came about.

Screaming "illegal" sanctions ever louder, as things get worse, suggests the authorities have no coping strategies, and have given up. This is not the kind of image a ruling party that has presided over almost a decade of very dramatic decline can afford to go into an election with.

You cannot boast endlessly about your "sovereignty," and at the same time whine about how your economy's fate is not within your hands, but in that of your enemies. It must be one or the other. If we are as "sovereign" as Mugabe never tires of reminding us we are, then our economic performance should not depend on what any other countries do or don't do.

If, by crying "sanctions" every other minute, Mugabe and his regime are admitting that we are a small country whose economic fate cannot be divorced from the international diplomatic standing of its government, then we are not quite as "sovereign" as we imagine. In the latter case, diplomatic action beyond helpless whining is called for, and yet silly bravado is all we see and hear.

A question that is not asked often enough: if our economic calamities are because of sanctions imposed over land reform, why didn't the government foresee and prepare for them? We are often reminded what tough revolutionaries our rulers are. In preparation for the wholesale takeover of farmland, did none of these revolutionaries think for a moment that it would cause a ruckus, and therefore have short, medium and long term plans to prepare for it? Why has the government seemed so surprised by the reaction its actions have received in Western capitals?

The point here is not that they should only have done what the Western countries approved of. It is, instead, that on having decided to go ahead with measures they knew would be disapproved of by economically powerful countries, they should have had a plan in place to deal with the effects of how that disapproval was expressed. Or was the hoped for "plan" to talk one's way out of the disapproval with fiery, populist speeches at the U.N.? What naiveté for self proclaimed revolutionaries!

Then there is the issue of sanctions busting. Nothing would have earned the Mugabe regime the respect of even its detractors more, than having shown particular agility at the "sovereign" ability to get around the claimed sanctions; to keep things working fairly normally despite them. Or to at least show prospects of even slight recovery after an initial dip, which could then have been explained as merely a transitional hiccup as "the revolution" took hold.

This was especially important to show in the agriculture sector, whose overnight wholesale changes were the genesis for all that has followed since. If the government had been able to say, "yes, we know things are hard, but look at all the successes we are beginning to score in the agricultural sector, whose taking over caused the imposition of sanctions in the first place," people's reactions to it would have been very different from what they are today.

Comparing the American sanctions on Cuba with those said to be in place against Zimbabwe is pathetic, and ill-advised for the Mugabe government. Cuba has achieved notable successes in areas like agriculture and health despite decades of declared, strictly enforced U.S. sanctions.

They have done this through quite innovative approaches we have not seen our government show in any arena. Cuba's rulers at least give the appearance of being real revolutionaries, living modestly and wanting to be seen to be sharing any hardships with the people.

In Zimbabwe the rulership takes great pride in showing off just how removed from the general populace they are, as if to goad them. So in Cuba one sees some genuine "solidarity" between the governed and the rulers; whereas in Zimbabwe the rulers delight in emphasising their lordship over the people, "solidarity" being nothing more than a cheap slogan.

It is a pity our opposition parties are so distracted by so many peripheral things. A more focused opposition could have made mincemeat out of the Mugabe government for its attempt to absolve itself of responsibility for the pathetic state of our country with the weak official excuse of "sanctions."

Chido Makunike is a Zimbabwean social and political commentator. He can be contacted on e-mail: chidomakunike@gmail.com

 

 

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Zanu-PF officials descendants do not deserve any sympathy

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:08:00

 

George Chirikure

 

The ex-US ambassador to Zimbabwe Christopher Dell had earlier on hinted to Zimbabwe's governing/ruling political delinquents about the wrath to come. The additional measures specifically against the despot himself (President Mugabe) and his pillaging troops involve a campaign to send back to Zimbabwe their children and other direct dependants.

Five months ago I wrote an article advocating for the same measures to be instituted by the West and her partners to a wider network of the regime's corrupt diehards. A month or so ago the Australian Government announced similar action targeting 8 children of President Mugabe's top bootlickers studying there. For proponents of such measures like me, am definitely saying God's reply takes long to come, but it always finally comes.

 

I salute and praise the Australian government for its principled position against the dictator, his descendants and everything he stands for. At times it appears as if those of us advocating for these stern measures are jealous or lack human morals. Far from the truth, the fact here is that a sibling of a snake is snake. The siblings feed on what their mothers and fathers rob and abuse from helpless and impoverished Zimbabweans. Therefore our human morality starts here.

 

Definitely President Mugabe was angered to the bone by the Australian government's resoluteness in dealing with his evilness. He promised to take tougher reciprocal measures. He also forgets that he often claims that his violent land reform was a direct punishment against these "imperialists". For sure the net effects of such reciprocal measures shall be felt in Zimbabwe more than elsewhere. Of course President Matibili is determined to pretend to see things the other way.

 

For Zimbabweans who want to see consistency in President Mugabe's political ideology and rule, we prefer to see the direct dependents of our rulers, living, working and studying in Zimbabwe where they shall enjoy the good governance and prosperity brought about by their fathers, mothers and grandpas. Furthermore, we shall not bother ourselves if they can work, live and study in China, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.

 

Recently President Mugabe scoffed at Zimbabweans who flee his misrule and prefer to live and work as servants in the UK and elsewhere. Ironically he did not scoff at his lieutenants who are equally desperate to have their children and grandchildren study, live and work in the same imperialist states which "harbour ambitions to recolonize" Zimbabwe.

 

He also did not mention his great desire to go Lisbon in December despite the fact that this Portuguese city is a piece of Europe. Thus, everything is morally right and justifiable when it meets the political ego and desire of Cde Gushungo, no matter how costly it is to his country, people and others.

 

A good and simple example of ideological consistency was what the Soviets did by erecting the Berlin Wall so as to ensure that no East German escapes to the West. However, what President Matibili Mugabe and his clueless Zanu PF thugs are doing by criticizing the West during the day and sending their children and dependents to study, live and work there is disgraceful to begin with and at the worst hypocritical.

 

President Matibili Mugabe is desperately trying to raise moral issues regarding the expelling of RBZ Governor Gono's 2 children, 1 child of ZRP Commissioner Chihuri and 6 others by the Australian government, but how many Zimbabweans are being chased away every week from SA simply because they are looking for a livelihood.

 

We have never heard from him condemning the inhuman treatment of thousands of fellow countrymen at Lindela refuge collection centre in Johannesburg. The reason we all know – because they are presumed to be opposition supporters hence they are less Zimbabwean. As such 8 children of his lieutenants are more Zimbabwean to deserve his protection and sympathy as head of state.

 

For sure those who seem to have misplaced sentiments bordering on human morality with specific reference to the programme to deport Zimbabwe's political delinquents' dependents back home are practicing double standards. President Matibili Mugabe and his bootlickers do not deserve any smallest drop of crocodile tears. We therefore wait kindly to hear more good news coming live from Washington, Wellington, Ottawa and Brussels.

 

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Just and Fairness

I do not think that what happened to those children of the ZANU-PF leaders is fair on them. It is in breach of their Human Rights, that is the right to education etc. Yes of cause many people including myself, we are angry about their fathers' political adventures, but that does not mean that all those children support their fathers' policies and are getting their fees paid by the government, some of them might be even supporting MDC. It is also important to note that if people continue to encourage such actions by western countries, let them in future not cry fowl when such policies will be taken on to their children that can be an MDC govt. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.

Posted By Proud to be Zimbabwean , UK : Sep 28 2007 01:37 AM

GEORGE CHIRIKURE

YOU MUST BE A BLINKING IDIOT .AT a time when everyone els is bracing for hope after the agreement between MDC and ZANU PF you are still spewing hate.Where is your social responsibility in nation building

Posted By Tonderai , Muzarabani Zimbabwe : Sep 28 2007 01:38 AM

Back to your OLD STUPID SELF.

After being sobered by harsh attacks from your ludcrous readership on this site and writing what looked like a remotely balanced article on CAB 18 YOU ARE NOW BACK TO YOUR TRADEMARK STUPIDITY. Well, do you pose to listen to yourself when you refer to the West as the "powers" especially in the context of them fighting for your cause against a fellow blackman. Your harlotous mother should have known better than hiding the truth from the Chirikures. Tava kuzotaura chokwadi manje.

Posted By Wenjere , zimheartland : Sep 28 2007 01:55 AM

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

The League of Zimbabwe Democrats is getting ready to start a campaign of faxing pro-democracy literature to government fax machines throughout the country. We need fax numbers of government officials/departments etc etc. please email to zimbabwedemocrats@comcast.net

Posted By LZD , Secret Hide away in Harare : Sep 28 2007 03:09 AM

MaCIO

Imi maCIO vana Proud, Wenjere na Tonderai munofunga kuti asingazivi kuti muri maCIO imbwa dzaMugabe ndiyani. Chamufira, mafuza evanhu! George is very correct, this issue of taking back these spoilt kids to Zimland is that they realize they are just like any other Zimbabweans whom their fathers have inflicted suffering upon, liable to the effects of their fathers' misdeeds. Zvarwadzaka because mava kukwenywa. Gore rino muchati baba nemuridzo.

Posted By Ordinary ZImbo , China : Sep 28 2007 03:45 AM

Yowe

Twuvana twaGono twurikuziti Proud,Tonderai etc. Tworikushaya hope kujaira nguva dzekuAustralia. Vatai haikona kunyora zvisina basa. Thanks George for the nice spirit

Posted By Matinji , Hre, Zimbabwe : Sep 28 2007 04:00 AM

Thanks George

yebo good article goerge - We are free of the Gono bitches in Melbourne now may the good work continue

Posted By mike pashata , oz : Sep 28 2007 04:25 AM

Iye Abigero wacho kushat

Ungati chipoko abigero Mohadi wacho iyo meke up kunge afambwa ne buttefly kumeso. Ngavadzokere kumusha vanoona moto kusina makeup imbwa dzevanhu. Uyu arikizviti Proud naTonderai muri matatya evanhu nhunzvatunzva ngadzidzokere kumusha kuno kuuye hama dzedu dzirikushaiwa mavhiza.Wangu muvhunnzo ndewekuti vanodei kuno kumusha kunana baba vavo kunovava here? Mari ndooyakadai kuvawandira saka ngavadhipotwe vanomhanya nema 4x4 ana baba vavo tsvuuramuromo dzevanhu.

Posted By Mai Tee , NZ : Sep 28 2007 05:13 AM

Abigero Mohadi

Kana nebra haana zamhu kudonha kunge akayamwisa vana ten. Kuhura muchinyanya ana Abigero imbwa yemunhu endai kumusha uku munofa neAids mharapatsetse nzwinzwi tsvuuramuromo.

Posted By memory , NZ : Sep 28 2007 05:18 AM

I PITY ZIMBOS

Wen people learn to separate emotions from politics then zimbabwe will be a better place.I do not support the move to deport these kids,its a matter of a woman scorned thats making people want to see these kids brough back home.It is a clear case of human rights abuse and if we feel kuti we different from Matibili then how come we still think like him.We need to look at the bigger picture how is sending these children back home going to change the situation in zimabwe,you think briningin these kids back will change the hearts of the fathers who steal from us,God forbid they become worse.Lets use logic people this thang zimdaily is advocating for is nonsense and i think they should focus on more pressing issues,i do hope they do have the legal knowledge about the articles they write and about how they want people`s infomation published on the internet.Zimdaily as one or ur frequent visitors dont get too overzealous..coz mutemo wakaoma,especially since muri in the west already.This is not a threat but friendly advice

Posted By SORUSHENI , STATES : Sep 28 2007 05:49 AM

sorusheni

what you have effectivley said is a threaty and i say to you GET LOST.iF A MAN LIKE oJ SIMPSON CAN BE LABELLED by Jay leno as a murderer but he was proved innocent in na court of law- then freedom of speech iriko baba.. OJ cant sue. and zimdaily has done much less than that. so if you want to give advice friendly or otherwise ipa kuhure rako - get lost

Posted By mike pashata , oz : Sep 28 2007 06:03 AM

stupid pashata

It is however the rate of the Zimbabwe dollar to the major currencies that puts the crisis into perspective. If you need Z$930 000 to buy a single pound, what this means is that if the Central Bank had not removed 3 zeroes from the currency, the actual rate is close to a billion Zimbabwe dollars to the UK pound. The price control measures government tried to impose on the business community have backfired miserably and caused the extreme shortage of essential items.

Posted By kemob , oz : Sep 28 2007 06:17 AM

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Please we in the Diaspora must hit back at ZANu-PF in every way no matter how small or big! VIVA ZIMDAILY! Thank you! Rev Mufaro Stig Hove. www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com

Posted By ZIMFINALPUSH , AZANIA/RSA : Sep 28 2007 06:18 AM

anaSORUSHEN

Washaya nyaya here iwe Sorushen? Maemotions aunotaura ndeye vanhu varirwadziwa saka rega emotions dzibude kuti vanhu vaexpresse zviri mumoyo yavo pane kuti vagare negodo stress inouraya mfesi saka maemotions ngaabude kuti therapy iite.

Posted By Orivha wekuAmerika , Louisville, KY USA : Sep 28 2007 06:51 AM

iwe sorusheni

unongoti kushata haikona asi unodanana neone of the kids varikutaurwa nezvawo.hindava uchitaura zvekaora kudaro vana ava ngavamame chete jus like madhara acho achamama chete uri kustates hausikuona nhamo iri muno irikukonzerwa nemadhara aya.zimdaily ndinoitenda necourage yayaita viva fairdeal.pfutseki mhani sorushen urihuku chaiyo iwe usataura madhodhi akadaro mhani kurawo iwe.

Posted By the man , zimhell : Sep 28 2007 07:18 AM

Tonderai

You must live on another planet, don't be fooled by those bullshyte talks, they are a waste of fcuken time. ZANU PF has never had the nation's interests at heart and why would they start now? All they are trying to do is 'legitimise' the carnage they are going to unleash in the coming months. Please save the drama for your mama and go and preach somewhere else. The only nation building ZANU PF can do is to step down en-masse.....failing that it'll be the same shyte different day.

Posted By Fcuk Zanu! , Caracas : Sep 28 2007 07:19 AM

Harrildon (Harry) Chiririwa

Get him deported from Cape Town. He is a serious CIO official purporting to be a PhD student in Chemistry at the University of Cape Town. His father was a senior CIO officer responsible for massacres in Matebeleland during Gukurahundi. Harry was a CIO officer from the time he was at NUST and got the whole SRC expelled. His brother was sent to the USA as an Intelligence Attache for CIO. Harry is a serious bitch , he buys prostitutes beer in Mowbray, Mzoli, Gugulethu and Kheyelisha using taxpayers money. He bought a bar called Lobantu in Mowbray, Cape Town using taxpayers money.

Posted By Marshall "the weatherman" , University of Cape Town, SA : Sep 28 2007 08:13 AM

casanova

zvarwadzaka , yes ngava dzoke timame tese kana nesu tanga tinadzo nzvimbo iko ku aussie asi takatadza kuenda nekuti baba vavo vakatinyima mari, asi vana vavo wer staying in condos even the australian working class cound not afford to stay in so much hypocrisy for once very loud men who claimed he "is a turnaround guru" zanu yamunyaradza manje hatichamuona mamapepa nemuna first achiita mainspection emabearer cheque....kuti zii kunge asipo where are your policies now ??????

Posted By dhewa , harare : Sep 28 2007 08:21 AM

its not about the kids only

the isssue is about FEAR, fear that should it sufficiently sour enough tinomanyepi kuenda kuexile kunodya our begotten gains and of course kuti mari dzavo dzavanoisa mumaforeign bank accounts information sooner or later will be released for public consumption and the realisation that they have been exposed and lost face and yet all this time they thought they well hidden.As for sorusheni and company munoshamisa kwazvo am sure hamugoni kana nyaya dzepabonde nekuti munosiirira zvakawanda muchiti zvidikiki kumbe ndozvinotoita kuti zvigutse wanike vakadzi venyu vatotunda muhope.KUBIKA usavi uchisiya twacho tunochachirisa hapana anodya akazeya pasi pemumango, saka ndati ZANU NGAITIRWE zvese kuti itunde.

Posted By mai misodzi , sakubva netara : Sep 28 2007 09:10 AM

Offended

Can someone there pls remove these jumping things from this website. (bottles of cooking oil ,flour etc)

Posted By Chenzara VS Chematama MT , Sanctions Hazvisi Mkoba 4 : Sep 28 2007 09:23 AM

SORUSHENI

What sorusheni can you give me when I have 3 children sleeping hungry everyday because there is no water, no electricity, there is nothing to buy in the shops, my hefty salary is Z$3.8m, I need Z$6.5m for transport, my sister wawakamitisa ukatiza needs my support, no teachers in schools, fees Z$45m per term. Do not talk about emotions which you have no clue about, people in Zimbabwe are just too tolerant.

Posted By Togarepi,Wangu , Masvingo,Zim : Sep 28 2007 09:29 AM

Shameful Zimbabweans

You people have been overtaken by events. You are no longer the proud nation which used to exude unparrelled selr importance over other nations. You used to call other people with such derogatory names like Nyasalande, Senas, Bwidis , Chawas. Now you are calling your president Matibili , which smells Malawian. Why all of a sudden is there a Malawian connection? My herdboy is a former headmaster of a Zimbabwean high school and I am very happy to have the Zimbabwean on my payroll. God how things change!!!!!

Posted By Johnson Achimwene Zhuwawo , Brandari (Blyntire) , Malawi : Sep 28 2007 09:38 AM

Offended

Thanks for removing them. Tanzwa ne njonjo,nemakeve, mafuta aciita toyi, toyi pawebsite. Imwi!!!!

Posted By Chenzara VS Chematama MT , Sanctions Hazvisi Mkoba 4 : Sep 28 2007 09:46 AM

mugabe un

Posted By , gandanga : Sep 28 2007 09:56 AM

where are you

where are all those morons and their descedants who voted ZANU in 1980. You used to insult us who did not support ZANU. Now you are behaving as if you did not play a role in this this. You are all as guilty as Matibili and all ZANU leaders, you put them and you also do not deserve sympathy.May 27 generations of your decendants be cursed by God almighty for bringing this suffering.

Posted By Idlozi Svikiro , Matibili : Sep 28 2007 09:58 AM

first 3 posts

the first 3 posts are from one person. look at pattern of writing, capital letters in mid sentences. the aim of the writer was to try and get pple to think kuti there are many pple against the fair deal campaign - which is not the fact. i support it 100 percent. 99.9 percent pple do :) pamwe harare hospital inga rhinovhetwawo tozorapirwa ikoko tose nana pride

Posted By Mandivenga , : Sep 28 2007 10:06 AM

Support fair deal

I support fair deal but I think it should be extended to include all those who supported ZANU from 1963 and all their descendants who have fled the country. If I remember well in 1983 to 1985 when I was in Harare, I was treated like a dissident by these Mugabe zealots not by Mugabe. Now they claim not to like this man. In their tribalistic, dirty minds I was a dissident because i supported ZAPU. Now they think they are better than Mugabe while it is their actions that created this monster, you applauded every time when he made snide comments about ZAPU and Matabeleland. You are all as guilty as ZANU. In Mabelreign people used to look at us funny when we spoke in Ndebele, to them we were dissidents because we did not like ZANU and Mugabe. Fair deal should be fair and include all these people, if you cant include them then leave the children of ZANU leaders alone. At least their fathers are openly snakes, not yours who are hiding their guilt by blaming others. A person should learn to take responsibilty for their actions

Posted By Idlozi Svikiro , Matibili Bosso : Sep 28 2007 10:29 AM

IDLOZI SVIKIRO! GROW UP!

IDLOZI SVIKIRO IS A LUNATIC! Where are the records kept of all who supported ZANU-PF from 1963? Perhaps you are 8 years old! Do know the complexity of ZANU history? Many Opposition leaders Patrick Kombayi were once Senior ZANU Leaders! M S Hove...Rev. www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com

Posted By M S Hove...Rev. , AZANIA! : Sep 28 2007 11:00 AM

MS HOVE THATS WHAT I SAID

I said if you dont have the records for everyone then to be fair we need to to leave these children alone. We cannot punish half of the equation. For information I was 20 in 1963.Leave the children alone havana mosva. Are you afraid to confront the fathers or the honourable Cde Robert Gabriel Mugabe the fisrt democratically elected leader of the independent republic of Zimbabwe.

Posted By Idlozi svikoro , : Sep 28 2007 11:41 AM

Idzozi

We wont leave them alone! If you are not happy with the campaign GET LOST. We wont leave them alone (Full Stop)

Posted By Rombe , Harare : Sep 28 2007 12:00 PM

SVIKIRO...

Like I also said, the people at home trust us in the Diaspora to do whatever we can! No side-shows from the likes of the so-called SVIKIRO! www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com

Posted By M S Hove...Rev. , AZANIA! : Sep 28 2007 12:05 PM

idlozi sviroko

I have read lunatic posts on here but you are beyond help. The USA fully supported Osama Bin Laden, his Mujahedeen and the Taliban against the Soviet invation during the 1979 - 1989 Afghan war. Now that the USA is bombing these same groups in Afghanistan and anyone who supports them, do you also expect them to bomb the pentagon and all those US symbols of power????? kana wadhinhiwa nekuti hama dzako dza depotwa ridza mhere, urimhata.

Posted By Wenjere , Wenjere : Sep 28 2007 12:10 PM

Svikiro reduzvi

Asi unosvikigwa? Who are you trying to defend who would be more important than some of us who have already been deported, uri duzvi sezita rako. The flood gates are already open, some of us are already back in Zim and we expect all that other stupid sons and daughters of brainless ministers to be thrown out too.

Posted By Passion Gono , Harare, Zimbabwe : Sep 28 2007 12:21 PM

Fair deal not fair

if you are fair why list people like Nqo Lesabe who left Zimbabwe in 1986 running away from Gukurahundi. His only crime is that his mother later joined ZANU. Use your brains not emotions.Rev. I read your story about what you did for ZANU, you want to be like Saul who turned to Paul in the bible.Lingani thuka kodwa ngibhala iqiniso. Nditukeyi but munosiva kuti ndirikunyora chokwadi.

Posted By idlozi svikiro , : Sep 28 2007 12:57 PM

Idlozi

We dont care about what you say. Fair Deal continues whether you like it or not. Please stop making noise for us and Leave us and Fair Deal alone

Posted By Gaigusu , SA : Sep 28 2007 01:14 PM

SVIKIRO

MUDHIDHI UNE MAPUNDU SEWEHUKU, URI TRIBALIST YOU HATE SHONAS MUSATANYOKO MACHENDE ARI PAHUMA.

Posted By YGVFV , SADJFCD : Sep 28 2007 01:31 PM

YGVFV , SADJFCD

if I hated shonas then I would hate my mother from Buhera, chief Nyashanu area, Mhofu yemukomo, Shava (thats my mother). Read my input, being Zapu and speaking Ndebele does not make you Ndebele. Why then insult me?

Posted By idlozi svikiro , Odzi : Sep 28 2007 01:53 PM

ITS FAIR

THOSE SYMPATHISING A BENEFICIARIES WHO A NOT DIRECTLY BUT LINKED TO THE ZANU PF THEY ALSO NEED TO BE DEPORTED.IF THE EDUCATIN SYSTEM Z CONDUCIVE FOR ALL THE ORDINARY ZIMBABWEANS WATS SPECIAL ABT THESE KID? WERE THEY NOT BORN IN ZIM?THEY SHLD COME BACK THIS WII FORCE THEIR PARENTS TO REGARD THE EDUCATION SYSTEM AS WORTHY REVIEWING N MYK IT CONDUS FOR EVERYONEIVE

Posted By STUDENT , ZIMBABWE : Sep 28 2007 01:53 PM

Idlozi Svikiro

I write on my accord! I give Interviews to BBC and anybody else on my accord! My bottom line is to let those living now and in the future the chance to know what really happened in Zim from before 1980. The reason is not so that imbeciles like you can then use it against me! How can we woo ZANU people to a Democratic Dispensation if we will then harrass them using the information they will release? Without using any vulgar...please GROW UP! www.zimfinalpush.blogspot.com

Posted By M S Hove...Rev. , AZANIA! : Sep 28 2007 01:54 PM

SVIKIRO

SVIKIRO HANDIDI KUKUTUKA ASI REGA NDINGOTI UNOTAURA ZVEKUPENGA

Posted By STUDENT , ZIM : Sep 28 2007 01:59 PM

Rev. do not insult others

In Idlozi Svikiros arguments he never called anyone a lunatic or imbecile. You are supposed to be a respectable person but you are using unbecoming language. It shows the traces of ZANU intolerance. Let us show Idlozi Svikiro the way, right now he is showing us the way.You are correct, we need to know what happened during those dark days, people should come forward and say something. I WAS BROUGHT UP AS AN OUTCAST IN TSHOLOTSHO BECAUSE MY MOTHER WAS RAPED BY GUKURAHUNDI AND CONCIEVED ME, I WAS CALLED NAMES. DO YOU THINK I WILL EVER KNOW WHO MY FATHER IS.THIS IS EATING ME, I WAS BORN IN 13 JULY 1985. ANY GUKURAHUNDI WHO OPERATED IN TSHOLOTSHO IN 1984 PLEASE COME FORWARD.

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